For the record this will be mainly covering the whole drive full of CP lio, peaches, and JAR have gotten onto Spoctor for having. This is really the first time I ever did anything like this so my apologies if its a bit messy. Feel free to add anything to this / give me feedback.
Here is a quick summary of the events that happened before we get into the details: Spoctor had admitted to having a drive of nudes that were from a 13 year old he dated when he was 16, claiming he didn't realize he still had it until after he was 18 and destroyed it. In a video calling out Spoctor's behavior towards Peaches ( which I will admit was warranted from my perspective), this was added as the other half of the video as well as Peaches making her own video on this. This led to Spoctor responding to this specific thing with coming out as a grooming victim before deleting every social media account we know him by. He specified that the person he had nudes of and was in a past relationship with was still his friend and a fellow grooming victim. He showed screenshots of them talking about it, however it DOES leave some questions behind. We will be covering the videos and post mentioned along with Peaches and JAR's response to this whole shitshow. Links of the videos will be inserted into the titles of their respected sections.
Lio's VIdeo
So we will begin with Lio's video, which is the longest video pertaining to this drama. Like I said before the first major chunk of the video is going over separate drama pertaining to Peaches, which have fair points about his conduct and actions. At 59:53 is when these new allegations are brought up. He showed the full confession of Spoctor about the hard drive in a call with him, TheName'sJunkie, and Feghost, letting it be known that this call happened 3 years ago and the person held onto it until this last April. According to Lio, this was supposed to discuss a video from a small creator claiming that Spoctor was abusing a partner of his when it eventually devolved into the confession. That video is covered by JAR in his own video.
Feghost states that everyone began talking to the girl in question, Spooder, when she was 12 -13 years old. He then tells Spoctor that he wants to know the full story about what was going on. After a little bit of reassurance about this not getting out to the public, Spoctor explains that he was 16 years old when engaging with Spooder at 13. He acknowledges this does push things, but sticks to the three year age gap argument. He goes on to explain how they were very close they were as friends, and due to "how he acted back then" ( thinking with his dick), it became a fling that lasted until he was 17 years old. Later on in the recording he claims to be on good terms with Spooder but also talking about how she used to hate him, the reason why not explained ( possibly cheating). When asked by Feghost, Spoctor admits to it becoming graphic between them, confessing that he doesn't agree with it now and how he looks back at it with disgust.
This is when Spoctor admits to having a hard drive on his counter containing the nudes he and Spooder shared. He expresses that at 18 he questioned why he even had the hard drive still ( also stating this was not too long after he and Spooder stopped talking). He then goes onto clarify that at 18 he refuses to get involved with anyone under that age and looks back on the whole situation with regret. After that, Spoctor mentions someone named "Siren", a person he claims to be 'salty' over getting rejected after being sexual together. I have not seen anything else some up from this person or who this person really is. If I do I will update the thread.
In the call Spoctor is asking about Ponder and what she has to say about this whole situation , stating that he wants her help with this because he is terrified. This DOES bring into question as to why Ponder has not said anything about this but I digress. Despite this Feghost and Junkie tell Spoctor that Ponder will not be helping him this time and making it clear that they can't always be there to help him. Near the end of the call, Spoctor specifies that he flushed the hard drive after wiping, formatting, and ultimately CRUSHING it. When junkie asked for a picture, Spoctor explains that this happened "ages" ago, specifically at the start of 2019, and would not be able to send a picture. He added that it wouldn't do good to show proof anyways due to how easy it would be to fake it. KEEP A PIN IN THIS!!!!
The call ends with Spoctor saying he will talk to Ponder, and both Feghost and Junkie telling him to be more careful with his actions. This then leads into Lio's breakdown of the call he came forth with. He proceeds to call Spooder a victim of Spoctor and how he is just oh so sad to learn such. For some reason he starts to say that her intentions with Spoctor may be malicious ( I have no idea why), but says it doesn't change what he admits to doing. Lio claims that Spoctor admitted to having that drive "well past" his 18th birthday, however in the call Spoctor says that the drive was destroyed in the beginning of 2019. Spoctor's birthday is in April so if he claims to have destroyed the drive in the beginning of 2019 ( and if it's true), it wouldn't have been that far off from when he became a legal adult. Not sure why Lio is saying Spoctor is admitting to holding onto it way after he turned 18 when we saw in the recording that it's not true. He a little later states that the date range between when Spoctor destroyed it was April 18th- September 13th, 2019, however does not show where he got these dates from, nor did show definitive proof of this being correct.
Lio then goes to question as to why Spoctor had kept these images to begin with and driving home that Spoctor INTENTIONALLY waited until he was 18 to destroy the drive. Setting aside Spoctor clarifying after this video that he forgot about the drive and found it , I would like to point out that it really is not out of the realm of possibility for teens to save nudes of their partners. It is weird that he kept them on a drive, I will not lie, but couples tend to do that. The thing that Lio leaves out is that Spoctor had questioned why he even still had the drive, which does sound to me that Spoctor probably did forget that he had it. Even if he had seen the drive on his counter, it is very possible that he forgot the contents on the drive. It already seems super presumptuous on Lio's end about what Spoctor had said and the intent behind his actions.
As his breakdown continues, Lio claims Spoctor JOKED about faking the evidence that he destroyed the drive, completely removing the context he showed earlier in his own video. I'm not sure if Lio watched that recording again before making his points, but we all saw in the call that Spoctor did not joke about faking evidence. He just stated that it wouldn't be really substantial proof DUE to how easy it COULD be. The laugh seems more like a nervous tick due to Spoctor doing so while talking about things that make him nervous.
What bugs me the most is that Lio completely disregards the fact that Spoctor destroyed the drive, saying it's not important because it shouldn't have existed in the first place. THE CONTENTS WERE PUT ON THAT DRIVE WHEN HE WAS STILL A MINOR AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE THAT ISN'T UNCOMMON. Bring legality all you want into this but this IN NO WAY makes him a predator like Lio and Peaches wants to convey ever so sneakily. The fact he destroyed that drive should be A GOOD THING AND SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO NOTE because it shows Spoctor trying to correct a dumb thing he did.
Continuing on, Lio states that he went to Ponder to see what Spoctor had said to her. Sadly she states that she doesn't remember what was said, however Junkie mentions text messages between the two about this so I'm not sure why that wasn't asked about. It might seem like nothing now but I'll keep this in just in case something comes of it. Despite this, Lio goes onto assume ONCE AGAIN what Spoctor had done, saying he probably lied to her and avoided accountability. Given all that Ponder knew from the Pentagrin and Stories bullshit, I highly doubt Spoctor said anything different from what he said to Junkie and Feghost. This really just seems to be added to make Spoctor's character look worse, even with the context of how he treated others. I have an idea why but that will be addressed later.
Lio adds that Spoctor didn't report a person claiming to be 15 being attracted to 9 year olds in his DID vid. We don't have an actual source shown that he didn't. It seems to be just kinda tacked onto the drive bs because this was mentioned after Lio did his usual assuming of Spoctor's mind state during the Pentagrin and Stories drama. He piggy backs off the assumption Spoctor intentionally kept this drive until he was over 18 and states that he 'operated with a guilty conscience' since he would still have the drive at this time. We still don't even know FOR SURE if Spoctor remembered the drive. If they broke up BEFORE the drama then I wouldn't be surprised if Spoctor DID forget about having nudes since he was dealing with being called A FUCKING PEDOPHILE. Why that thing about the 15 year old was brought up idrk but it just seems so out of place and just to add fuel to the fire, whether he should've reported or not.
The ending of the video is just Lio doing his usual "well - spoken" act about good and evil, but something he said made me think. At 1:19:03 he talks about the nature of evil, stating that maliciousness isn't necessarily evil because "someone can have maliciousness towards someone who hurts people needlessly", and I feel like it helps solidify as to why I think Lio is so quick to assume despite not having much reason to go as far as he did in the video. I understand if this may seem hypocritical in itself, but I implore you to hear me out and look closely at Lio's behavior with this in mind:
It is very well known that Lio and Peaches have a very strange relationship, claiming it to be some sort of "found family". However you feel about this, you cannot deny how CLOSE these two are. In regards to the whole Senate vs CasWarFox war along with other dramas pertaining to Peaches and her behavior as a whole, Lio not only seems to not do anything about her behavior, but is overly protective of her. I would not be surprised if the reason that Lio is so quick to villainize spoctor with presumptions and out of context claims is due to the fact that Spoctor fucked with Peaches. Does this mean Spoctor didn't actually hurt Peaches nor deserve to be called out? No. He was wrong, but Lio seems to take the whole drive situation to a new level and blow it out of proportion due to what Spoctor did to his "daughter" to the point it is painting him to be a predator without saying he is one. This lack of control from Lio is why people laugh at him and overall don't like him. It is a major issue that is affecting his work that he needs to fix before he hurts more people. More instances of Lio's behavior showcasing this will be in its own thread if it isn't already.
Peaches's Video
Not too long after Lio's video, Peaches made her own. Has anyone noticed how both Lio and Peaches are using screenshots in the thumbnail but not showing them in their videos? Before I get into the nitty gritty with this, I want to preface Peaches's emotional immaturity. She seems to be so biased and petty over people who wronged her that she will muddy the waters like Lio and take things out of context. Peaches if you read this, we know what Spoctor did to you wasn't ok, however you need to learn how to separate that from even more serious situations like this because it's glaring in this video and your second one that you don't know how.
Peaches references the video made 3 years ago that JAR goes over in his response, so again I will save that for JAR's section since he had tried to debunk it in the past but never uploaded the video due to Spoctor's request. She begins the video with summarizing the Pentagrin and Stories drama and its affect on the community. Afterwards she does address the video made 3 years ago, explaining that due to its lack of evidence, it was pushed aside.
Peaches shows some screenshots from the old video, mainly this person Shygal showing screenshots of a user Toast and a censored user ( most likely Spooder) talking about their relationship. One of the claims in that video that Peaches recites and doesn't seem to debunk is that Spoctor stayed in the relationship until after he was 18, which isn't true. There isn't much evidence with Toast and Shygal so no wonder no one listened to him. Other than that, Peaches does the same thing that Lio does and tries to paint the narrative that Spoctor intentionally kept that hard drive without solid proof. Ironically she talks about this when showing a screenshot of Spoctor saying he destroyed it.
If you actually look close enough, you can see these dms were dated September 13th, where Lio states is the latest possible date Spoctor had the drive. At least we know where he got the date from. Personally, I think Lio didn't show this due to spoctor clarifying that he destroyed the drive way before that date, but again I digress and that thought should be taken with a grain of salt.
Most of this video is that call Lio showed, from 4:54 - 18:39. Pretty fucking lazy right? Her video really is just damn near a carbon copy of Lio's, down to the context cutting and painting Spoctor as a groomer but not saying it outright.
She brings up an instance where someone by the name "Nice Stories" asked about the drive and he lied about there being CP on it. I don't know why this is super surprising since people like Lio and Peaches have repeatedly cut context to make him seem like a groomer so no fucking shit he will lie to someone he doesn't know?
She ends the video saying to watch Lio's video ( yeah you worked really hard on this didn't you honey) and says "this doesn't mean that pentagrin and stories was right ( again like lio)" yet goes over her petty bitch fight with spoctor ( pretty inappropriate and petty considering most of this video is about the cp [21:36]). She then makes this jab to Spoctor saying "i guess thats why he freaked out over a predator hunter being in that call in october" (22:08). Geez peaches I thought you didn't want to call him a pedo/groomer, but it seems like that's exactly what you are doing. Way to solidify what you and Lio are doing because you couldn't stop yourself.
Spoctor Claps Back
Thanks to a friend on twitter archiving this, we can still see the community post from Spoctor along with one of his screenshots and the comments left ( the site has limitations but fortunately the screenshots he showed are in the next two videos that responded to this). I will let the post and screenshots speak for themselves with some of my own take on this along with the comments.
The one screenshot i can get due to the archive sites restrictions is the one where Spooder notes that it was in fact TOAST who was the creepier one towards her
Now the reaction to Spoctor claiming to be groomed by the adults in his community is pretty divided. There are those who believe him and those who don't, thinking he made this up to cover his ass. Given that there is no proof, no one is obligated to believe Spoctor until proof is shown. If this were true though, this does explain his over the top sexual behavior as a teen. And I will say that I wouldn't be surprised if either Spoctor didn't want to bring his grooming up due to him thinking it's irrelevant/ not needed, or the fact he realized it too late.
There are people in the comments saying that Lio and Peaches did not slander Spoctor due to his downright admittance about the drive while adding on other factors that Spoctor IS NOT ADDRESSING IN THIS POST. SPOCTOR IS ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE DRIVE NOT ANYTHING ELSE.
What people are not considering is the constant cut context they both did and the wording about the situation. Lio outright spoke about this as if Spoctor always knew about the drive and Peaches outright insinuated he was a predator and LIED about him and Spooder being together after he turned 18. The fact they both showed the call in full context should make their actions WAY MORE BLATANT TO WAY MORE PEOPLE. THAT is the type of slander spoctor is referring to. There isn't even enough proof to for sure say he remembered the drive and intentionally held onto it into his adulthood, yet both Lio and Peaches kept pushing that narrative. There is one comment though that puts into words the problem with this controversy damn near perfectly. The last line is a bit simpy for my taste but it addresses what is wrong with calling Spoctor a predator over this.
JAR's Response
Next up we have the tin man himself with the second longest video on the drama. One thing I will say is that this video gives a more accurate and fair recounting and analysis of the drama. When I say this, I do not mean to say that this video is a good one, but it definitely makes Lio and Peaches' look worse considering JAR's pattern of behavior ( which will be shown by admission in this very video). JAR does admit that no one has solid proof that Spoctor really remembered the drive and all we can do is leave it to interpretation. However, this point is constantly contradicted throughout the video by JAR constantly making EDP and Joe Biden jokes at Spoctor's expense and still treating Spoctor like a predator. The thing that sticks out in this video is what JAR admits to concerning that first poorly made video bringing up the allegations Spoctor was abusing Spooder.
This link leads to a clip in the video where JAR admits to knowing about the video 3 years ago and keeping it under wraps in turn for free labor by Spoctor. He claims to have made a video in defense of Spoctor but instead of asking about it before making the response, JAR decided to wait until the video was already made to show Spoctor. He wanted it to be let go and not posted, however JAR initially refused due to it being sponsored and the deadline was too close for him to edit another video. He only accepted to not make it public when Spoctor offered to edit a video for free in time for the sponsor deadline. One of the reasons JAR states that he made this public is because Spoctor didn't defend him against Tobi, which seems to be a really petty reason for someone thought to be his friend.
My question about it is this: Why didn't JAR talk to Spoctor about this video BEFORE the response was made? If JAR really considered Spoctor to be his friend, why did he only accept to not make it public when spoctor offered free labor? If JAR thought he was innocent at the time and saw him as a friend then why be so incosiderate? This could've been avoided if he asked Spoctor before production and he wouldnt have to scramble for time.
JAR also claims that Spoctor keeps changing the story about the drive, but unless I missed something that's just not true. Spoctor not remembering what was on the hard drive could be considered an added detail but nothing was really changed. Other than that, there were times when JAR seemed to nit pick wording in the stupidest way possible like Spooder's age. I think Jar criticizing the screenshot stating the age the girl was when Toast was creepy to her is fucking stupid. Spoctor mentioned there was more than one adult engaging and encouraging these sexual acts / grooming the two so that was a nothing burger. Plus, not only does the age of 14 match when Spoctor was with Spooder but ended it, but it is highly possible that some of the groomers stayed in contact with Spooder, so again its a nothing burger.
Near the end, JAR references Lio and Peaches' videos, defending them from the accusation that they are calling Spoctor a groomer/pedophile, completely disregarding how they are both clearly treating him as such, but refusing to state it outright. Recalling the constant EDP and Joe Biden jokes, I wouldn't be surprised JAR refused to read in between the lines so that he can say he didn't accuse Spoctor of being a groomer while acting like he is. That or he is really that salty over the Tobi drama.
I will end JAR's section talking about a point he made that I feel is a pretty valid thing to question. The one fair point he makes is when he calls into question on whether or not Spooder knew if Spoctor still had her nudes or not after they ended things. While in Spoctor's screenshots he doesn't outright talk about the drive along with Spooder claiming to be out of the loop in terms of the drama, I would argue the possibility of the screenshot in Peaches' video of Spoctor talking to someone about the drive could be Spooder. Looking at how the other party is talking to spoctor about their faults in their relationship with him, it might be Spooder and Spoctor trying to possibly resolve things. Despite the high probability given how you can easily change your name on Discord, this is still not some 100% proven so take this possibility, again, with a grain of salt.
Peaches's Sour Ass Response
Before ending this thread, we will go over Peaches's newest video, which cover's spoctor's community post responding to the accusations. As you would expect from this lady, Peaches's follows the same formula that she did in her first video, trying to muddy the waters with what Spoctor did to peaches in the Creepshow art drama.
Not only is she doubling down on the false pretense that spoctor admits to always being aware of the drive's existance and the contents on it, Peaches now claims that Spoctor befriended Spooder ( while falsely calling her his 'victim') to keep her silent about the drama which, say it with me folks, is not true. Spoctor was friends with Spooder way before this and Spoctor trying to be friends with her after the fact does not mean he did it only to shut her up. This is peaches once again trying to take the worst interpretation of Spoctor's words as possible to make him look way worse without solid backing. She is actually clipping the call to make it seem like Spoctor is referring to Spooder when he is actually talking about PONDER DEFENDING HIM, so she is ACTUALLY lying to her audience. How shocking.
In this video, Peaches responds to the accusation that her and Lio are slandering Spoctor to make him seem like a sexual predator. Her response is that she never outright said it and condemns people calling him that, however if you see her first video and pay attention to this one, Peaches's is actively and BLATANTLY painting the scene to portray Spoctor to be one. Especially when she clipped the call out of context to lie about Spoctor befriending his "victim" to keep quiet.
She shuns Spoctor for comparing what her and her lion daddy are doing to what happened in 2018. Maybe the first line of the community post was emotionally charged to compare what happened in 2018, but its not that Spoctor is trying to say the drive thing never happened. The whole point is that the situation is being twisted to make him look like a groomer. There may be SOME differences between the two situations, but what IS SIMILAR is how Peaches is taking everything out of context and outright LYING to paint that picture. Peaches IS acting like Stories and Pentagrin in that regard, so no wonder Spoctor is comparing the two instances. The fact that Peaches says she believes Spoctor was groomed yet completely refuses to acknowledge how it affected his overly sexual actions and the drive just shows how bias Peaches is and how EAGER she is to villainize him past the point of reason.
This last video is just filled with Peaches's blatant bullshit. From doubling down on her lies and very dramatic interpretations that make no sense, to muddying the waters with her petty fucking drama with Spoctor when responding to a community post ONLY ABOUT THE DRIVE, to still actively lying to save her own ass. Peaches is really stupid enough to think she can get away with cutting context while still showing people the full call that shows what she cuts. Like I said before, the fact that Peaches's had enough legit evidence to call Spoctor out on his behavior and get back at him shows how unnecessary her actions are. There was actively NO POINT for Peaches to cut context and falsely paint Spoctor as a groomer other than the fact she WANTED TO. This is one of many signs that her emotional immaturity and absolute pettiness has gotten so out of control that it has turned into maliciousness. If only Lio taught her how to be smarter about it.
Conclusion
I think it is pretty clear that Spoctor is absolutely not a groomer nor a pedophile. Is he a bad person? Yeah, but I do believe Spoctor when he says that he did not remember the drive. I believe he did destroy it once he found it when he turned 18 and saw what it was. I believe Spoctor was groomed into this type of over sexual behavior and wasn't able to realize it until he was away from those people.
It is also blatantly obvious that Lio, Peaches, and JAR KNEW that they were painting Spoctor as a predator and did so to get back at Spoctor for petty reasons. ESPECIALLY PEACHES. Despite the fact that she is a grown woman who is completely responsible over her own actions, a lot of the blame DOES fall onto Lio for actively enabling and feeding into this disgusting behavior. Spoctor was actively slandered by these three and until more proof is shown, I believe Spoctor to be innocent and those three to be petty assholes with no limit to their maliciousness.
Here is a quick summary of the events that happened before we get into the details: Spoctor had admitted to having a drive of nudes that were from a 13 year old he dated when he was 16, claiming he didn't realize he still had it until after he was 18 and destroyed it. In a video calling out Spoctor's behavior towards Peaches ( which I will admit was warranted from my perspective), this was added as the other half of the video as well as Peaches making her own video on this. This led to Spoctor responding to this specific thing with coming out as a grooming victim before deleting every social media account we know him by. He specified that the person he had nudes of and was in a past relationship with was still his friend and a fellow grooming victim. He showed screenshots of them talking about it, however it DOES leave some questions behind. We will be covering the videos and post mentioned along with Peaches and JAR's response to this whole shitshow. Links of the videos will be inserted into the titles of their respected sections.
Lio's VIdeo
So we will begin with Lio's video, which is the longest video pertaining to this drama. Like I said before the first major chunk of the video is going over separate drama pertaining to Peaches, which have fair points about his conduct and actions. At 59:53 is when these new allegations are brought up. He showed the full confession of Spoctor about the hard drive in a call with him, TheName'sJunkie, and Feghost, letting it be known that this call happened 3 years ago and the person held onto it until this last April. According to Lio, this was supposed to discuss a video from a small creator claiming that Spoctor was abusing a partner of his when it eventually devolved into the confession. That video is covered by JAR in his own video.
Feghost states that everyone began talking to the girl in question, Spooder, when she was 12 -13 years old. He then tells Spoctor that he wants to know the full story about what was going on. After a little bit of reassurance about this not getting out to the public, Spoctor explains that he was 16 years old when engaging with Spooder at 13. He acknowledges this does push things, but sticks to the three year age gap argument. He goes on to explain how they were very close they were as friends, and due to "how he acted back then" ( thinking with his dick), it became a fling that lasted until he was 17 years old. Later on in the recording he claims to be on good terms with Spooder but also talking about how she used to hate him, the reason why not explained ( possibly cheating). When asked by Feghost, Spoctor admits to it becoming graphic between them, confessing that he doesn't agree with it now and how he looks back at it with disgust.
This is when Spoctor admits to having a hard drive on his counter containing the nudes he and Spooder shared. He expresses that at 18 he questioned why he even had the hard drive still ( also stating this was not too long after he and Spooder stopped talking). He then goes onto clarify that at 18 he refuses to get involved with anyone under that age and looks back on the whole situation with regret. After that, Spoctor mentions someone named "Siren", a person he claims to be 'salty' over getting rejected after being sexual together. I have not seen anything else some up from this person or who this person really is. If I do I will update the thread.
In the call Spoctor is asking about Ponder and what she has to say about this whole situation , stating that he wants her help with this because he is terrified. This DOES bring into question as to why Ponder has not said anything about this but I digress. Despite this Feghost and Junkie tell Spoctor that Ponder will not be helping him this time and making it clear that they can't always be there to help him. Near the end of the call, Spoctor specifies that he flushed the hard drive after wiping, formatting, and ultimately CRUSHING it. When junkie asked for a picture, Spoctor explains that this happened "ages" ago, specifically at the start of 2019, and would not be able to send a picture. He added that it wouldn't do good to show proof anyways due to how easy it would be to fake it. KEEP A PIN IN THIS!!!!
The call ends with Spoctor saying he will talk to Ponder, and both Feghost and Junkie telling him to be more careful with his actions. This then leads into Lio's breakdown of the call he came forth with. He proceeds to call Spooder a victim of Spoctor and how he is just oh so sad to learn such. For some reason he starts to say that her intentions with Spoctor may be malicious ( I have no idea why), but says it doesn't change what he admits to doing. Lio claims that Spoctor admitted to having that drive "well past" his 18th birthday, however in the call Spoctor says that the drive was destroyed in the beginning of 2019. Spoctor's birthday is in April so if he claims to have destroyed the drive in the beginning of 2019 ( and if it's true), it wouldn't have been that far off from when he became a legal adult. Not sure why Lio is saying Spoctor is admitting to holding onto it way after he turned 18 when we saw in the recording that it's not true. He a little later states that the date range between when Spoctor destroyed it was April 18th- September 13th, 2019, however does not show where he got these dates from, nor did show definitive proof of this being correct.
Lio then goes to question as to why Spoctor had kept these images to begin with and driving home that Spoctor INTENTIONALLY waited until he was 18 to destroy the drive. Setting aside Spoctor clarifying after this video that he forgot about the drive and found it , I would like to point out that it really is not out of the realm of possibility for teens to save nudes of their partners. It is weird that he kept them on a drive, I will not lie, but couples tend to do that. The thing that Lio leaves out is that Spoctor had questioned why he even still had the drive, which does sound to me that Spoctor probably did forget that he had it. Even if he had seen the drive on his counter, it is very possible that he forgot the contents on the drive. It already seems super presumptuous on Lio's end about what Spoctor had said and the intent behind his actions.
As his breakdown continues, Lio claims Spoctor JOKED about faking the evidence that he destroyed the drive, completely removing the context he showed earlier in his own video. I'm not sure if Lio watched that recording again before making his points, but we all saw in the call that Spoctor did not joke about faking evidence. He just stated that it wouldn't be really substantial proof DUE to how easy it COULD be. The laugh seems more like a nervous tick due to Spoctor doing so while talking about things that make him nervous.
What bugs me the most is that Lio completely disregards the fact that Spoctor destroyed the drive, saying it's not important because it shouldn't have existed in the first place. THE CONTENTS WERE PUT ON THAT DRIVE WHEN HE WAS STILL A MINOR AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE THAT ISN'T UNCOMMON. Bring legality all you want into this but this IN NO WAY makes him a predator like Lio and Peaches wants to convey ever so sneakily. The fact he destroyed that drive should be A GOOD THING AND SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO NOTE because it shows Spoctor trying to correct a dumb thing he did.
Continuing on, Lio states that he went to Ponder to see what Spoctor had said to her. Sadly she states that she doesn't remember what was said, however Junkie mentions text messages between the two about this so I'm not sure why that wasn't asked about. It might seem like nothing now but I'll keep this in just in case something comes of it. Despite this, Lio goes onto assume ONCE AGAIN what Spoctor had done, saying he probably lied to her and avoided accountability. Given all that Ponder knew from the Pentagrin and Stories bullshit, I highly doubt Spoctor said anything different from what he said to Junkie and Feghost. This really just seems to be added to make Spoctor's character look worse, even with the context of how he treated others. I have an idea why but that will be addressed later.
Lio adds that Spoctor didn't report a person claiming to be 15 being attracted to 9 year olds in his DID vid. We don't have an actual source shown that he didn't. It seems to be just kinda tacked onto the drive bs because this was mentioned after Lio did his usual assuming of Spoctor's mind state during the Pentagrin and Stories drama. He piggy backs off the assumption Spoctor intentionally kept this drive until he was over 18 and states that he 'operated with a guilty conscience' since he would still have the drive at this time. We still don't even know FOR SURE if Spoctor remembered the drive. If they broke up BEFORE the drama then I wouldn't be surprised if Spoctor DID forget about having nudes since he was dealing with being called A FUCKING PEDOPHILE. Why that thing about the 15 year old was brought up idrk but it just seems so out of place and just to add fuel to the fire, whether he should've reported or not.
The ending of the video is just Lio doing his usual "well - spoken" act about good and evil, but something he said made me think. At 1:19:03 he talks about the nature of evil, stating that maliciousness isn't necessarily evil because "someone can have maliciousness towards someone who hurts people needlessly", and I feel like it helps solidify as to why I think Lio is so quick to assume despite not having much reason to go as far as he did in the video. I understand if this may seem hypocritical in itself, but I implore you to hear me out and look closely at Lio's behavior with this in mind:
It is very well known that Lio and Peaches have a very strange relationship, claiming it to be some sort of "found family". However you feel about this, you cannot deny how CLOSE these two are. In regards to the whole Senate vs CasWarFox war along with other dramas pertaining to Peaches and her behavior as a whole, Lio not only seems to not do anything about her behavior, but is overly protective of her. I would not be surprised if the reason that Lio is so quick to villainize spoctor with presumptions and out of context claims is due to the fact that Spoctor fucked with Peaches. Does this mean Spoctor didn't actually hurt Peaches nor deserve to be called out? No. He was wrong, but Lio seems to take the whole drive situation to a new level and blow it out of proportion due to what Spoctor did to his "daughter" to the point it is painting him to be a predator without saying he is one. This lack of control from Lio is why people laugh at him and overall don't like him. It is a major issue that is affecting his work that he needs to fix before he hurts more people. More instances of Lio's behavior showcasing this will be in its own thread if it isn't already.
Peaches's Video
Not too long after Lio's video, Peaches made her own. Has anyone noticed how both Lio and Peaches are using screenshots in the thumbnail but not showing them in their videos? Before I get into the nitty gritty with this, I want to preface Peaches's emotional immaturity. She seems to be so biased and petty over people who wronged her that she will muddy the waters like Lio and take things out of context. Peaches if you read this, we know what Spoctor did to you wasn't ok, however you need to learn how to separate that from even more serious situations like this because it's glaring in this video and your second one that you don't know how.
Peaches references the video made 3 years ago that JAR goes over in his response, so again I will save that for JAR's section since he had tried to debunk it in the past but never uploaded the video due to Spoctor's request. She begins the video with summarizing the Pentagrin and Stories drama and its affect on the community. Afterwards she does address the video made 3 years ago, explaining that due to its lack of evidence, it was pushed aside.
Peaches shows some screenshots from the old video, mainly this person Shygal showing screenshots of a user Toast and a censored user ( most likely Spooder) talking about their relationship. One of the claims in that video that Peaches recites and doesn't seem to debunk is that Spoctor stayed in the relationship until after he was 18, which isn't true. There isn't much evidence with Toast and Shygal so no wonder no one listened to him. Other than that, Peaches does the same thing that Lio does and tries to paint the narrative that Spoctor intentionally kept that hard drive without solid proof. Ironically she talks about this when showing a screenshot of Spoctor saying he destroyed it.
If you actually look close enough, you can see these dms were dated September 13th, where Lio states is the latest possible date Spoctor had the drive. At least we know where he got the date from. Personally, I think Lio didn't show this due to spoctor clarifying that he destroyed the drive way before that date, but again I digress and that thought should be taken with a grain of salt.
Most of this video is that call Lio showed, from 4:54 - 18:39. Pretty fucking lazy right? Her video really is just damn near a carbon copy of Lio's, down to the context cutting and painting Spoctor as a groomer but not saying it outright.
She brings up an instance where someone by the name "Nice Stories" asked about the drive and he lied about there being CP on it. I don't know why this is super surprising since people like Lio and Peaches have repeatedly cut context to make him seem like a groomer so no fucking shit he will lie to someone he doesn't know?
She ends the video saying to watch Lio's video ( yeah you worked really hard on this didn't you honey) and says "this doesn't mean that pentagrin and stories was right ( again like lio)" yet goes over her petty bitch fight with spoctor ( pretty inappropriate and petty considering most of this video is about the cp [21:36]). She then makes this jab to Spoctor saying "i guess thats why he freaked out over a predator hunter being in that call in october" (22:08). Geez peaches I thought you didn't want to call him a pedo/groomer, but it seems like that's exactly what you are doing. Way to solidify what you and Lio are doing because you couldn't stop yourself.
Spoctor Claps Back
Thanks to a friend on twitter archiving this, we can still see the community post from Spoctor along with one of his screenshots and the comments left ( the site has limitations but fortunately the screenshots he showed are in the next two videos that responded to this). I will let the post and screenshots speak for themselves with some of my own take on this along with the comments.
The one screenshot i can get due to the archive sites restrictions is the one where Spooder notes that it was in fact TOAST who was the creepier one towards her
Now the reaction to Spoctor claiming to be groomed by the adults in his community is pretty divided. There are those who believe him and those who don't, thinking he made this up to cover his ass. Given that there is no proof, no one is obligated to believe Spoctor until proof is shown. If this were true though, this does explain his over the top sexual behavior as a teen. And I will say that I wouldn't be surprised if either Spoctor didn't want to bring his grooming up due to him thinking it's irrelevant/ not needed, or the fact he realized it too late.
There are people in the comments saying that Lio and Peaches did not slander Spoctor due to his downright admittance about the drive while adding on other factors that Spoctor IS NOT ADDRESSING IN THIS POST. SPOCTOR IS ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE DRIVE NOT ANYTHING ELSE.
What people are not considering is the constant cut context they both did and the wording about the situation. Lio outright spoke about this as if Spoctor always knew about the drive and Peaches outright insinuated he was a predator and LIED about him and Spooder being together after he turned 18. The fact they both showed the call in full context should make their actions WAY MORE BLATANT TO WAY MORE PEOPLE. THAT is the type of slander spoctor is referring to. There isn't even enough proof to for sure say he remembered the drive and intentionally held onto it into his adulthood, yet both Lio and Peaches kept pushing that narrative. There is one comment though that puts into words the problem with this controversy damn near perfectly. The last line is a bit simpy for my taste but it addresses what is wrong with calling Spoctor a predator over this.
JAR's Response
Next up we have the tin man himself with the second longest video on the drama. One thing I will say is that this video gives a more accurate and fair recounting and analysis of the drama. When I say this, I do not mean to say that this video is a good one, but it definitely makes Lio and Peaches' look worse considering JAR's pattern of behavior ( which will be shown by admission in this very video). JAR does admit that no one has solid proof that Spoctor really remembered the drive and all we can do is leave it to interpretation. However, this point is constantly contradicted throughout the video by JAR constantly making EDP and Joe Biden jokes at Spoctor's expense and still treating Spoctor like a predator. The thing that sticks out in this video is what JAR admits to concerning that first poorly made video bringing up the allegations Spoctor was abusing Spooder.
This link leads to a clip in the video where JAR admits to knowing about the video 3 years ago and keeping it under wraps in turn for free labor by Spoctor. He claims to have made a video in defense of Spoctor but instead of asking about it before making the response, JAR decided to wait until the video was already made to show Spoctor. He wanted it to be let go and not posted, however JAR initially refused due to it being sponsored and the deadline was too close for him to edit another video. He only accepted to not make it public when Spoctor offered to edit a video for free in time for the sponsor deadline. One of the reasons JAR states that he made this public is because Spoctor didn't defend him against Tobi, which seems to be a really petty reason for someone thought to be his friend.
My question about it is this: Why didn't JAR talk to Spoctor about this video BEFORE the response was made? If JAR really considered Spoctor to be his friend, why did he only accept to not make it public when spoctor offered free labor? If JAR thought he was innocent at the time and saw him as a friend then why be so incosiderate? This could've been avoided if he asked Spoctor before production and he wouldnt have to scramble for time.
JAR also claims that Spoctor keeps changing the story about the drive, but unless I missed something that's just not true. Spoctor not remembering what was on the hard drive could be considered an added detail but nothing was really changed. Other than that, there were times when JAR seemed to nit pick wording in the stupidest way possible like Spooder's age. I think Jar criticizing the screenshot stating the age the girl was when Toast was creepy to her is fucking stupid. Spoctor mentioned there was more than one adult engaging and encouraging these sexual acts / grooming the two so that was a nothing burger. Plus, not only does the age of 14 match when Spoctor was with Spooder but ended it, but it is highly possible that some of the groomers stayed in contact with Spooder, so again its a nothing burger.
Near the end, JAR references Lio and Peaches' videos, defending them from the accusation that they are calling Spoctor a groomer/pedophile, completely disregarding how they are both clearly treating him as such, but refusing to state it outright. Recalling the constant EDP and Joe Biden jokes, I wouldn't be surprised JAR refused to read in between the lines so that he can say he didn't accuse Spoctor of being a groomer while acting like he is. That or he is really that salty over the Tobi drama.
I will end JAR's section talking about a point he made that I feel is a pretty valid thing to question. The one fair point he makes is when he calls into question on whether or not Spooder knew if Spoctor still had her nudes or not after they ended things. While in Spoctor's screenshots he doesn't outright talk about the drive along with Spooder claiming to be out of the loop in terms of the drama, I would argue the possibility of the screenshot in Peaches' video of Spoctor talking to someone about the drive could be Spooder. Looking at how the other party is talking to spoctor about their faults in their relationship with him, it might be Spooder and Spoctor trying to possibly resolve things. Despite the high probability given how you can easily change your name on Discord, this is still not some 100% proven so take this possibility, again, with a grain of salt.
Peaches's Sour Ass Response
Before ending this thread, we will go over Peaches's newest video, which cover's spoctor's community post responding to the accusations. As you would expect from this lady, Peaches's follows the same formula that she did in her first video, trying to muddy the waters with what Spoctor did to peaches in the Creepshow art drama.
Not only is she doubling down on the false pretense that spoctor admits to always being aware of the drive's existance and the contents on it, Peaches now claims that Spoctor befriended Spooder ( while falsely calling her his 'victim') to keep her silent about the drama which, say it with me folks, is not true. Spoctor was friends with Spooder way before this and Spoctor trying to be friends with her after the fact does not mean he did it only to shut her up. This is peaches once again trying to take the worst interpretation of Spoctor's words as possible to make him look way worse without solid backing. She is actually clipping the call to make it seem like Spoctor is referring to Spooder when he is actually talking about PONDER DEFENDING HIM, so she is ACTUALLY lying to her audience. How shocking.
In this video, Peaches responds to the accusation that her and Lio are slandering Spoctor to make him seem like a sexual predator. Her response is that she never outright said it and condemns people calling him that, however if you see her first video and pay attention to this one, Peaches's is actively and BLATANTLY painting the scene to portray Spoctor to be one. Especially when she clipped the call out of context to lie about Spoctor befriending his "victim" to keep quiet.
She shuns Spoctor for comparing what her and her lion daddy are doing to what happened in 2018. Maybe the first line of the community post was emotionally charged to compare what happened in 2018, but its not that Spoctor is trying to say the drive thing never happened. The whole point is that the situation is being twisted to make him look like a groomer. There may be SOME differences between the two situations, but what IS SIMILAR is how Peaches is taking everything out of context and outright LYING to paint that picture. Peaches IS acting like Stories and Pentagrin in that regard, so no wonder Spoctor is comparing the two instances. The fact that Peaches says she believes Spoctor was groomed yet completely refuses to acknowledge how it affected his overly sexual actions and the drive just shows how bias Peaches is and how EAGER she is to villainize him past the point of reason.
This last video is just filled with Peaches's blatant bullshit. From doubling down on her lies and very dramatic interpretations that make no sense, to muddying the waters with her petty fucking drama with Spoctor when responding to a community post ONLY ABOUT THE DRIVE, to still actively lying to save her own ass. Peaches is really stupid enough to think she can get away with cutting context while still showing people the full call that shows what she cuts. Like I said before, the fact that Peaches's had enough legit evidence to call Spoctor out on his behavior and get back at him shows how unnecessary her actions are. There was actively NO POINT for Peaches to cut context and falsely paint Spoctor as a groomer other than the fact she WANTED TO. This is one of many signs that her emotional immaturity and absolute pettiness has gotten so out of control that it has turned into maliciousness. If only Lio taught her how to be smarter about it.
Conclusion
I think it is pretty clear that Spoctor is absolutely not a groomer nor a pedophile. Is he a bad person? Yeah, but I do believe Spoctor when he says that he did not remember the drive. I believe he did destroy it once he found it when he turned 18 and saw what it was. I believe Spoctor was groomed into this type of over sexual behavior and wasn't able to realize it until he was away from those people.
It is also blatantly obvious that Lio, Peaches, and JAR KNEW that they were painting Spoctor as a predator and did so to get back at Spoctor for petty reasons. ESPECIALLY PEACHES. Despite the fact that she is a grown woman who is completely responsible over her own actions, a lot of the blame DOES fall onto Lio for actively enabling and feeding into this disgusting behavior. Spoctor was actively slandered by these three and until more proof is shown, I believe Spoctor to be innocent and those three to be petty assholes with no limit to their maliciousness.
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