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The fight:
Slaughters video:
The aftermath:
The call with Ruza:
Ruza's MASTERFUL defense:
This would of course be the stage set for today's drama as Lio became the face of headhunting his fellow pedo hunters as he was the first and loudest voice to publicly denounce Anthony.
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I do believe this is an important point as I believe, in my opinion, due to her popularity the Senate and Lio have become in a sense her capos. I will touch up on this later.
Transparency Note: for transparency Cas and Vlad and myself amongst others did share a GC for several months on twitter and more or less just talked about Tonka and others.
I also wish to add for transparency I ran a Twitter account known as CreepshowArts where I played at being Shannon and specifically trolled many members of the art commentary community and peaches was one I targeted directly as she and a few others were making many claims against Shannon and as I was playing at being Shannon I would of course respond and ask Shannon directly about events in the past to attack her and others. She never told me to do this or asked and I never asked permission. We mainly discussed her return video. I told her it was stupid and wouldn't work and would simply add fuel to the fire to further piss people off.
That aside this isn't trolling, I believe this has caused an issue of being biased and being her headhunters. I'll get into that later.
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OG Callout video:
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Some could argue this ultimately was the final nail for several people as the hiding of the Zrcalo revelations could be seen as an effort to shield a pedo zoo to keep Coyote lovely safe from being exposed as a degenerate and befriending the worst of the worst even so far as living with them irl. Earlier in the day Vlad would get into a fight with a mod in Cas's server and He and Gallagher would get banned for a rape joke, This was the first ban. This was further escalated with Vlad calling Lio a furry on twitter on the 1st of August which caused the Senate to raid Vlad's server and spam cartoon feral porn and shitpost in his discord.
6 hours later Vlad and his members counter raided and posted "zoophile porn" which was allegedly simply pictures of a cooked chicken being fucked. It's hard to say because Lio was told they were raided first and these are the same people who he uses as proof of what was posted. As such given that Vlad has proven he was raided first it makes me distrust that entire story from the Senate.
Edit: I asked Vlad. It was a freshly slaughtered chicken head. Not the whole chicken or a chicken corpse and it wasn't Gallagher who sent it. I censored the penis, you're welcome.
The actual poster admits it was him:
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Vlad gets Confronted by LioConvoy and Coyote Lovely on SlayerRaven's Stream on August 6, 2022:
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Cas Exposes Zrcalo and TransphobicLs Leaks on Nov 8, 2022:
Cas and Co get accused of harboring pedos by Zrcalo and decide to laugh at it on Nov 10, 2022:
Lanza covers it and adds more dirt on Nov 10, 2022:
Zrcalo and Coyote would have a falling out and Zrcalo and Coyote would move apart from their apartment. Zrcalo would get pissed at coyote and join Sappho, a troon who went live on its YouTube video and said it loved to fuck dogs and wanted to fuck children, in a telegram group dedicated to ruining Coyote Lovely. They also started a Twitter account together called TransphobesPostingLs. Imagine the troons all rallying for this account fighting those bad ol transphobes and it's ran by dog fuckers and child molesters. Amazing.
Zrcalo is caught out more and Cas makes a stream exposing their involvement with Sappho and the #BanCoyote Telegram group Nov 18, 2022:
Cas has Zrcalo and Coyote on to bury themselves on Nov 22, 2022:
LagoVirt covers the Zrcalo expose on Nov 30, 2022:
Coyote is finally forced to throw Zrcalo under the bus a whole ass MONTH later on Dec 2, 2022:
Anyway the following is pure speculation but I believe this is the point hopeless peaches got into the Senate with Lio and the rest after Harley's video.
HerleyTBS is a YouTuber who likes to jump on subjects of controversy with YouTube drama and spam a million videos about it dailyon anyone HopelessPeaches' is angry with relentlessly simping for her during her drama with PrisonMate Luke and Shannon. I swear I watched 30 videos of his about CSA even tho she hadn't been publically active for months. ANYWAY he covered Zrcalo and a month later Peaches would follow suit.
Harley simps for Peaches:
Harleys video on Dec 13, 2022:
Vlad closes the casket on SussyShruggs/Zrcalo Dec 14, 2022:
Peaches finally reacts on video on Jan 13, 2023:
Now I pose this question: The call with Zrcalo that was saved and hidden away, that was a LONG time before they got exposed. They all felt weirded out by the call and felt Zrcalo was sussy. How many victims were effected due to this inaction? How many lives forever changed because for some reasonit didn't go any further? Why wasn't that call brought to the publics attention, even if it was just as simple as an advisory warning? During the call they didn't even go into the serious allegations on the Kiwi Farms but bickered over a tweet. Why did no one go over the serious stuff?
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If you un-spoiler any link let it be this one:
Zrcalo goes insane on Feb 3, 2023:
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Cas lays the hammer down on Coyote Lovely Feb 25, 2023:
During the stream Lio comes into the call I believe and they discuss a little of the drama coming up before coyote jumps on. Lio agrees to take Coyote after the stream and scream at him. I will link that next; first however, Cas said "you for don't take that dirty coyote out back and skin him Lio then the fox mafia is at war with the Senate." Now I've had people say that this was what prompted the cas v Lio ark but I don't believe so. Lio seemed genuinely pissed at coyote and ofc after the stream he took said coyote out back and skinned him so crisis averted? Even if a grown boomer took the threat of a discord war from a zoomer seriously in the first place. I have a different theory I'll cover next.
ADDED CONTEXT: In a recorded private call down below Lio and Cas had after the Coyote stream Lio laughs off the claim of the tard war and Cas explains it was simply pure frustration to which Lio said he understood and would feel the same and understood it looked sussy on his part not to have handled it yet and why it would cause distrust and discussed future work together.
Lio takes Coyote Lovely to the woodchipper Feb 26, 2023:
Vlad takes Coyote Lovely down Mar 10, 2023
LagoVirt Chimes in attempting to subvert Cas and Vlad's work Mar 17, 2023:
ASIDE: ClappedSeal is a youtuber who has done extensive research on Sappho and I'd be remiss not to add it
Clapped discusses the Coyote Situation on Mar 25, 2023:
Peaches joins in Apr 4, 2023:
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Vlad calls Peaches and LagoVirt out for PedoShielding on Apr 6, 2023:
Vlad follows with the very valid question: Why was the Zrcalo call still never publically uploaded?
Vlad accuses Lio and Peaches of pedo shielding Apr 9, 2023:
Personal Thoughts: The complaint "It was just 2 minutes of commentary in an hour long video" is an absolute sham, If I made a 10 hour long video on moss growth and in the middle I said "Oh hey btw Peaches is a scammer and LioConvoy isa pedophile" I'm sure you would take strong exception to those few seconds. The whole reason Coyote was cancelled was getting "Too close" to Sappho so the critique is indirectly coupling Cas with Coyote. Also Lio's Critique of "He allowed Sappho to humanize itself to his audience" is also baseless. Sappho IS a human and its important that no matter how monstrous these people are they do wear the same face as you and me. Also Cas and your audience all are anti-pedo. Like sappho is never going to win anyone over. You all have audiences that want to watch these pests burn, IRL preferably. Not to mention that YOU ALL have had pedos on to interview and you all softball them initially so they don't run. This argument is literally toxic hair splitting and rules for thee but none for me.
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Private Call between @SpergeDetective and LioConvoy on March 3, 2023:
I have been posting about this somewhat chronologically but after getting this recording I did the responsible thing and reached out to Lio TWICE on twitter and was ignored. Lio knows who I am. When I initially contacted him not even on my main when first found this drama he instantly replied and asked to DM me stuff even tho I am not a YTer who could do anything with the info. These have been retweeted and QRTed at him SEVERAL times. I can ONLY assume dodging me is intentional.
Lio attacks Cas, Vlad, and others on Apr 16, 2023:
Lio added addendum to correct incorrect information he said about Vlad and others on Apr 21, 2023:
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Vlad is ofc due to his close association with Cas one of the people discussed in detail. Several of the claims were incorrect, some could say lies, and several were sourced from 3rd hand accounts, heresay, which Lio never bothered to verify. Vlad, of course, responds to the video majorly focusing on him and brings receipts.
Vlads video defending himself and firing back on Apr 22, 2023:
As you can see in the video Vlad said he posted scat porn but no beastiality, even tho he has that to troll people. No evidence of him posting it was ever given though the claim was made. He posted proof that he was raided first and only countered the original raid and found it funny Lio would kvetching about it while his members are raiding others servers and posting trans-species feral porn. The squeaky blum guy is a pedo and Lio knows and no one has made a video on him? Why?
Further on, after the fact, neorah @Nightstalker made a doc going after Lio I'll link here:
Afterwards, and I kind of knew this was coming because Vlad mentioned he and Cas had a falling out but Vlad did a further video discussing CasWarfox I'll link here:
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The troon mod claims he jailed Vlad but Cas admits in call he allowed it. The Gallagher removed Vlad from jail, which caused a fuss. The hold a vote and everyone, including Cas, agreed Vlad shouldn't be jailed. Afterwards Cas outright banned Vlad and pulled Gallagher in to finger wag him.
Claim is the dog dying isn't a legit reason for erratic behavior by Cas. This is ultimately a point of taste imo.
Cas unbanned him the next day and said sorry but Vlad claims the sorry isn't sufficient because Cas was too cowardly to DM him the sorry or post ir publicly and because it wasn't done in such a manner he very well may not have even seen the apology. Also claims the apology was in bad faith because on a stream a week later Cas would double down and blame Gallagher and his dog rather than his poor choice.
He further plays a clip of Cas on 4/20/2023 saying he didn't know about the beastiality stuff and keeping him in the server was hypocritical. Vlad claims Cas absolutely knew and shows a screenshot from 8/3/2022. Vlad usually come correct and up until now I didn't look at the video thoroughly. What is on screen doesn't match what Vlad says it says. He claims he suggested sending him beastiality, in the screenshot he's replying to Cas saying Coyote moved in with a zoophile who tortured animals to death and then fucked them and Vlad replies "That suddenly makes my beastiality joke-spam not funny" and even if I read into that that Cas understood the context was to send Zoo porn Vlad says its a joke in the screenshot so who is to say he didn't think it was a joke? Also Vlad says Cas suggested sending him scat porn instead, instead isn't in there which again makes me feel he didn't think he was suggesting an alternative but was suggesting a singular course of action and again this is all hindering that Cas didn't assume the entire back and forth wasn't just BSing between you two and was seen as a strategic meeting.
ADDED CONTEXT: So as a matter of Transparency I do reach out to those open to communication for clarity and correction. I did post this section for Vlad to read and he initially held contention but when I explained I was only critiquing the section for not being clear on the evidence at the screenshot not matching what's being spoken he conceded that it was a fair critique and one he'd already received.
As you can see he posted further proof. I ofc don't believe his claim in the video was incorrect but as stated its more of taking into account an outsiders perspective. After all most people won't read a discription section let alone click a google doc and read through potentially hundreds of msgs. Most go with the video alone so I critique the video for that purpose.
Added below further context for the record:
Claims Cas lied about where Vlad got the Zrcalo call from.
Shows Cas had beef with Coyote as early as 8/2/2022. Cas was working to expose Zrcalo and Coyote. Not sure why he lied about being shocked about it. Stupid choice but oh well.
Vlad burns bridges with Cas on May 2, 2023:
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Lio streams on the doc on May 6, 2023:
Later as this video ended we started to see more defections from the fox mafia. First it was a fellow furry Fox Azure @TheNowInfamousFoxAzure, I was linked a video of a stream he did the same night it was done. Apparently this friend of Cas was placed in the discord bad boy room you are all familiar with if you have followed the video history; Gay Baby Jail. Honestly at this point 99.99999% of this drama is due to that room. Apparently Fox Azure was very angry at a furry artist sharing Drawn porn of anatomically correct wolf penis. He demanded Cas and the mods come to answer why its ok to have those artists free, while he is placed in timeout. Its funny. We get some hard Rs and Azure screaming "KNOTTED DOG COCK"
FoxAzure goes off on TFM on May 8, 2023:
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CasWarfox has an "interesting" past on May 27, 2023:
Even though a promise was made to add a FURTHER addendum one has never been made and likely will never be made according to Vlad and this screenshot:
Peetza would later go on to go on a call with Vlad and answer for himself and how he is planning to dox Cas and release his info to everyone, including pedos he has exposed, using a botnet thing. Not sure about this tech but in the thread it gets discussed quite a bit and apparently its a federal criminal act. The call would be released accidentally by Vlad who kept it unlisted. Big ups. The Following is that video
Peetza goes full retard and wants to dox cas 6/15/2023:
Later lio would be confronted by Perentiegon and Ultronverse as some creeper Crash was being doxed in their server using Dox gathered by Lio. Anyone who watches Lio knows he doxes people so idgaf BUT I will take exceptions to some parts.
#1 Lio claims he had to gather the dox because you can't report a screen name. This is absolutely untrue, infact its the opposite of true. screenshots and archives are inadmissible in court. To gather the exudence of the crime the police would need his screen name in order to get records from the servers to use in court. Websites like this and apps like Discord are FEDERALLY MANDATED to maintain records for up to 3 years for legal purposes. We are required like ALL businesses to capitulate to court orders for records. If Lio's claims were true then basically MOST online crimes simply could not be punished because internet vigilantes didn't get their IRL name first. Its laughably wrong.
#2 Lio claims the situation of the dox being passed around isn't his problem but instead is the issue of Crash's victim who got the info and decided to start spamming it. I think this SHOULD concern you and you SHOULD make an extremely strong effort to make sure the info is utilized properply. Imagine the info gets out and retards start calling in fake crimes and swat attempts. He could, easily, make the case that ANY claims brought are the attempts to cause him harm from an online hate campaign and that ALL claims from online people are malicious lies. It would RUIN ANY chance of getting justice and shield him from a more critical look. a bad apple poisoning the batch.
Perentiegon and Ultronverse call Lio on 6/15/2023:
Also Even Just A Robot took shots at how crappy Lio's videos were. My only issue, with that video, is it didn't go far enough
of course it makes you wonder when he has hidden evidence in the past, for years, in order to save his friends
Also just to really push how INSANELY STUPID this has gotten Lio decided "Yo I work 60 hours a week and have so many victims I can't get to them all but you know what? This guy is Cas's friend and even though he isn't a predator, and Cas isn't a predator, Cas is friends with people I don't like so since you didn't break your friendship because I wanted it... I'm just going to make a video about you because I'm mad on the internet."
Basically Peetza cements his role in senate despite everyone knowing full well he intends to dox Cas. He comes on the call to admit to hacking Dan's account, which is illegal so... smart I guess... and it's basically Dan trying to come on to say he was sorry and try to make peace and Lio being a retard because he is friends with Cas he wants to bash him... and admitting he wasn't going to release the call till Dan "got uppity on twitter". What was Dan posting that warranted his getting his own video? This thread you're reading right now.
Lio bitches at Dan on 6/24/2023:
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As Kuro is tangentially involved I didn't mind a DM interview although if logs exist I'd definitely urge posting them. Kuros claim was that nearly a year ago he and perhaps Vash were being dragged through the mud by Lio and accused of things and in a voice chat he was simply venting and joked about passing his dox to a pedo, Black Shadow.
I ofc have no verification of these claims but I was directed to this pedo. He's unironically mentally handicapped so judge for yourself how true these claims are as a malicious act and how serious the threat was.
Black Shadow the Pedo:
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Was using a very early copy but BIG UPS to MrSEN
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For unexplained reasons Lio Convoy started drama and attempted to cancel Caswarfox with guilt by association using false allegations against Cas's friends who insulted his pretend family which has escalated to doxing non-predators for being friends with Cas and using criminal tactics like botnets to highjack accounts
The Point of course is to show the timeline of events and to illustrate LioConvoy's standards and Principles and how I believe he is violating them. Neglecting to do proper research, framing false narratives, lying about the flow of events, using manipulative language to frame situations, and making outright false allegations: Things you will see he is blatantly against.
The Point of course is to show the timeline of events and to illustrate LioConvoy's standards and Principles and how I believe he is violating them. Neglecting to do proper research, framing false narratives, lying about the flow of events, using manipulative language to frame situations, and making outright false allegations: Things you will see he is blatantly against.
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Due to the number of embeds I will put media behind a spoiler. They will be labeled as "Video", "Link", "Stream", Or "Picture". Expand for more context
This thread and my opinions are subject to change given hard evidence of the opposite being true. If something is wrong hit me up publically on twitter or here and I'll add the context or alter the thread.
For all future reference I'll be addressing some content by a user known as Queen Serafina but I'll be using their old name "Stalin" you can ofc find it's channel under that former mentioned handle.
This thread and my opinions are subject to change given hard evidence of the opposite being true. If something is wrong hit me up publically on twitter or here and I'll add the context or alter the thread.
For all future reference I'll be addressing some content by a user known as Queen Serafina but I'll be using their old name "Stalin" you can ofc find it's channel under that former mentioned handle.
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Pedo Hunter Civil War
Cancellation of FNGR
So realistically the pedo hunter civil war began two years ago when a user known as "for no good reason" decided to sperg out at a brony musician that he did not like and ended up accusing him of posting a sussy image of his child. I believe it was a honest misremembering but he was ultimately canceled for this but it kind of became the beginning signs of ingroup fighting.The fight:
Slaughters video:
The aftermath:
Ruza gets the boot
I didn't have this in at the time but I had wondered what happened to Ruza. @Mv. Kvlt mentioned Ruza had some drama and was called out in a stream (now deleted) but I did eventually find out. They spoke with FNGR and losely agreed with some statements in an overall friendly call. As a result this suicidal, mentally unstable, trans woman was called into a room of senate spergs and pressed to answer a list of charges prepared by Rouge, FNGR's Ex, most of which were false and no one bothered to check. They proceeded to insult them, call them names, egg on their suicide, and call their work helping victims as shitty. This is how a "friend" treats their friend.The call with Ruza:
Ruza's MASTERFUL defense:
This would of course be the stage set for today's drama as Lio became the face of headhunting his fellow pedo hunters as he was the first and loudest voice to publicly denounce Anthony.
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Zrcalo Intro
Fast forward to a year and a few months later and it seems somewhere along the time as I'd lost interest in the community that it picked up the following of Hopeless Peaches as a member of the Senate (a discord server as the base for pedo hunting and conflict resolution for the community) where she would gain great clout due to her channel having a following of 100k subscribers making her the biggest voice in the community.I do believe this is an important point as I believe, in my opinion, due to her popularity the Senate and Lio have become in a sense her capos. I will touch up on this later.
Transparency Note: for transparency Cas and Vlad and myself amongst others did share a GC for several months on twitter and more or less just talked about Tonka and others.
I also wish to add for transparency I ran a Twitter account known as CreepshowArts where I played at being Shannon and specifically trolled many members of the art commentary community and peaches was one I targeted directly as she and a few others were making many claims against Shannon and as I was playing at being Shannon I would of course respond and ask Shannon directly about events in the past to attack her and others. She never told me to do this or asked and I never asked permission. We mainly discussed her return video. I told her it was stupid and wouldn't work and would simply add fuel to the fire to further piss people off.
That aside this isn't trolling, I believe this has caused an issue of being biased and being her headhunters. I'll get into that later.
Zrcalo Exposed
Anyway a nobody furry pixie named Zrcalo was called by Lio and the Senate because there was a LOT of rumors on KiwiFarms about Zrcalo being a hermaphrodite Nazi Pedophile and Zoophile and friends with bluniere aka squeaky blum a reportedly well documented pedophile zoophile. This call was ultimately hidden from the public. The call would happen in 5/22/2022, uploaded to an unlisted video by Lio Convoy and passed to Cas warfox which he was asked not to share the video. This would of course not come out at all for months allowing a predator to run free because Zrcalo lived with Coyote Lovely and was a pedo hunter itself.OG Callout video:
Pre-Expose Raid and Ban
Shortly thereafter a fwend of mine from the tonka days GildedPoo, who ill refer to as Vlad from now on, as that's what I knew him as for years entered the fray and did his job exposing Zrcalo, Blumiere, and Coyote Lovely.Some could argue this ultimately was the final nail for several people as the hiding of the Zrcalo revelations could be seen as an effort to shield a pedo zoo to keep Coyote lovely safe from being exposed as a degenerate and befriending the worst of the worst even so far as living with them irl. Earlier in the day Vlad would get into a fight with a mod in Cas's server and He and Gallagher would get banned for a rape joke, This was the first ban. This was further escalated with Vlad calling Lio a furry on twitter on the 1st of August which caused the Senate to raid Vlad's server and spam cartoon feral porn and shitpost in his discord.
6 hours later Vlad and his members counter raided and posted "zoophile porn" which was allegedly simply pictures of a cooked chicken being fucked. It's hard to say because Lio was told they were raided first and these are the same people who he uses as proof of what was posted. As such given that Vlad has proven he was raided first it makes me distrust that entire story from the Senate.
Edit: I asked Vlad. It was a freshly slaughtered chicken head. Not the whole chicken or a chicken corpse and it wasn't Gallagher who sent it. I censored the penis, you're welcome.
The actual poster admits it was him:
Zecalo Exposed by Vlad
Vlad exposes Zrcalo and Blumiere and their association with Coyote Lovely on Aug 5, 2022:Vlad gets Confronted by LioConvoy and Coyote Lovely on SlayerRaven's Stream on August 6, 2022:
Others Expose Zrcalo
I picked up an interesting tidbit in relisting to the first @SpergeDetective stream. Zrcalo's DMs to Oliver state he was Flirting with Sappho and also was attempting to get her into a chat group designed to rehabilitate Sappho. Those were claimed parts of the Coyote "OP" he started in October. So was this a joint "op" by the two? Did Zrcalo know about this BS lie and believe it and try to steal Coyote's thunder? Did Coyote, when confronted about being flirty with sappho just remember Zrcalo's stupid idea and spout it out on the fly to cover his own butt? Who knows but I would LIKE to know!Cas Exposes Zrcalo and TransphobicLs Leaks on Nov 8, 2022:
Cas and Co get accused of harboring pedos by Zrcalo and decide to laugh at it on Nov 10, 2022:
Lanza covers it and adds more dirt on Nov 10, 2022:
Zrcalo and Coyote would have a falling out and Zrcalo and Coyote would move apart from their apartment. Zrcalo would get pissed at coyote and join Sappho, a troon who went live on its YouTube video and said it loved to fuck dogs and wanted to fuck children, in a telegram group dedicated to ruining Coyote Lovely. They also started a Twitter account together called TransphobesPostingLs. Imagine the troons all rallying for this account fighting those bad ol transphobes and it's ran by dog fuckers and child molesters. Amazing.
Zrcalo is caught out more and Cas makes a stream exposing their involvement with Sappho and the #BanCoyote Telegram group Nov 18, 2022:
Cas has Zrcalo and Coyote on to bury themselves on Nov 22, 2022:
LagoVirt covers the Zrcalo expose on Nov 30, 2022:
Coyote is finally forced to throw Zrcalo under the bus a whole ass MONTH later on Dec 2, 2022:
Anyway the following is pure speculation but I believe this is the point hopeless peaches got into the Senate with Lio and the rest after Harley's video.
HerleyTBS is a YouTuber who likes to jump on subjects of controversy with YouTube drama and spam a million videos about it dailyon anyone HopelessPeaches' is angry with relentlessly simping for her during her drama with PrisonMate Luke and Shannon. I swear I watched 30 videos of his about CSA even tho she hadn't been publically active for months. ANYWAY he covered Zrcalo and a month later Peaches would follow suit.
Harley simps for Peaches:
Harleys video on Dec 13, 2022:
Vlad closes the casket on SussyShruggs/Zrcalo Dec 14, 2022:
Peaches finally reacts on video on Jan 13, 2023:
Now I pose this question: The call with Zrcalo that was saved and hidden away, that was a LONG time before they got exposed. They all felt weirded out by the call and felt Zrcalo was sussy. How many victims were effected due to this inaction? How many lives forever changed because for some reasonit didn't go any further? Why wasn't that call brought to the publics attention, even if it was just as simple as an advisory warning? During the call they didn't even go into the serious allegations on the Kiwi Farms but bickered over a tweet. Why did no one go over the serious stuff?
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Aftermath of Zrcalo Expose
Even thought they REALLY don't deserve a mention Zrcalo madea video after this and went on a MASSIVE jokeresque rant like "YOU NEED BAD PEOPLE LIKE ME! WE ARE THE SAME AS YOU! IF I STOP EXISTING YOU WILL EAT YOURSELVES!" Its HUGELY lulzworthy. Sadly it was correct LOLIf you un-spoiler any link let it be this one:
Zrcalo goes insane on Feb 3, 2023:
DownFall of Coyote Lovely
Following this Coyote got tired of living and decided to commit YT not-alive by getting exposed for sucking "mommy Sappho's big cock". Following suit with @GildedPoo, @SpergeDetective would get the crown in exposing Coyote. Granted Vlad's Claims took a minute to bare fruit it wasn't an unreasonable assumption given Coyote lived with Zrcalo, was friends with blumiere, and followed Bloom on twitter. All 3 pedo zoos.Cas lays the hammer down on Coyote Lovely Feb 25, 2023:
During the stream Lio comes into the call I believe and they discuss a little of the drama coming up before coyote jumps on. Lio agrees to take Coyote after the stream and scream at him. I will link that next; first however, Cas said "you for don't take that dirty coyote out back and skin him Lio then the fox mafia is at war with the Senate." Now I've had people say that this was what prompted the cas v Lio ark but I don't believe so. Lio seemed genuinely pissed at coyote and ofc after the stream he took said coyote out back and skinned him so crisis averted? Even if a grown boomer took the threat of a discord war from a zoomer seriously in the first place. I have a different theory I'll cover next.
ADDED CONTEXT: In a recorded private call down below Lio and Cas had after the Coyote stream Lio laughs off the claim of the tard war and Cas explains it was simply pure frustration to which Lio said he understood and would feel the same and understood it looked sussy on his part not to have handled it yet and why it would cause distrust and discussed future work together.
Lio takes Coyote Lovely to the woodchipper Feb 26, 2023:
Vlad takes Coyote Lovely down Mar 10, 2023
LagoVirt Chimes in attempting to subvert Cas and Vlad's work Mar 17, 2023:
ASIDE: ClappedSeal is a youtuber who has done extensive research on Sappho and I'd be remiss not to add it
Clapped discusses the Coyote Situation on Mar 25, 2023:
Peaches joins in Apr 4, 2023:
Fallout After Yote Exposed
Frustrated at backseat drivers critiquing their work Vlad calls them out for pedo shielding by trying to slander cas and hims work.Vlad calls Peaches and LagoVirt out for PedoShielding on Apr 6, 2023:
Vlad follows with the very valid question: Why was the Zrcalo call still never publically uploaded?
Vlad accuses Lio and Peaches of pedo shielding Apr 9, 2023:
Personal Thoughts: The complaint "It was just 2 minutes of commentary in an hour long video" is an absolute sham, If I made a 10 hour long video on moss growth and in the middle I said "Oh hey btw Peaches is a scammer and LioConvoy isa pedophile" I'm sure you would take strong exception to those few seconds. The whole reason Coyote was cancelled was getting "Too close" to Sappho so the critique is indirectly coupling Cas with Coyote. Also Lio's Critique of "He allowed Sappho to humanize itself to his audience" is also baseless. Sappho IS a human and its important that no matter how monstrous these people are they do wear the same face as you and me. Also Cas and your audience all are anti-pedo. Like sappho is never going to win anyone over. You all have audiences that want to watch these pests burn, IRL preferably. Not to mention that YOU ALL have had pedos on to interview and you all softball them initially so they don't run. This argument is literally toxic hair splitting and rules for thee but none for me.
The Attack on CasWarfox Begins
In the following recording it just shows the situation is absolutely malicious. Lio says he understands about several aspects he later goes on the attack cas on as well as going forward to explain he didn't think Vlad, Addy, and Gallagher were malicious but simply trolls. This would be the SAME MAN he would later go on in his follow-up video to claim he is a malicious predator who intentionally went to servers full of minors to post porn. That is insanely scummy. JAR would go on to take a jab at Lio for "not doing enough research". This call shows it wasn't a lack of research but just malicious slander against a father who has a child in his home which is potentially life ruining.Private Call between @SpergeDetective and LioConvoy on March 3, 2023:
I have been posting about this somewhat chronologically but after getting this recording I did the responsible thing and reached out to Lio TWICE on twitter and was ignored. Lio knows who I am. When I initially contacted him not even on my main when first found this drama he instantly replied and asked to DM me stuff even tho I am not a YTer who could do anything with the info. These have been retweeted and QRTed at him SEVERAL times. I can ONLY assume dodging me is intentional.
Lio attacks Cas, Vlad, and others on Apr 16, 2023:
Lio added addendum to correct incorrect information he said about Vlad and others on Apr 21, 2023:
Cas Cancellation Fallout
Now for me this was the weird one. FNGR was mistaken IMO. He acted in haste and stupidity and I doubt he would even deny that. In the end however it was his actions that prompted Lio to attack. Zrcalo? It was a pedo and a zoophile and a longstanding member of several sussy groups. It was it's actions that caused Lio to attack. Coyote? He was sexting a known and vocal pedo and zoophile and also he was sending xoosadists to zoophiles and being a member of several sussy groups. It was his actions that caused Lio to attack. Cas? The videos complaints are all about his associations and nothing to do with sussy stuff Cas himself has gotten into. It's the odd man out. Not to mention several things in this stream prompt some VERY interesting questions.Vlad is ofc due to his close association with Cas one of the people discussed in detail. Several of the claims were incorrect, some could say lies, and several were sourced from 3rd hand accounts, heresay, which Lio never bothered to verify. Vlad, of course, responds to the video majorly focusing on him and brings receipts.
Vlads video defending himself and firing back on Apr 22, 2023:
As you can see in the video Vlad said he posted scat porn but no beastiality, even tho he has that to troll people. No evidence of him posting it was ever given though the claim was made. He posted proof that he was raided first and only countered the original raid and found it funny Lio would kvetching about it while his members are raiding others servers and posting trans-species feral porn. The squeaky blum guy is a pedo and Lio knows and no one has made a video on him? Why?
Further on, after the fact, neorah @Nightstalker made a doc going after Lio I'll link here:
Afterwards, and I kind of knew this was coming because Vlad mentioned he and Cas had a falling out but Vlad did a further video discussing CasWarfox I'll link here:
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Alliances Broken
Vlad reveals he has burnt bridges with Cas and releases a video going over things Cas was saying to others that were lies. Peetza had also defected sometime between the first video by Lio until now and gave Vlad and Lio recordings and background info. I recommend watching the video, its only 20 minutes for full context, but I will go over the claims briefly.The troon mod claims he jailed Vlad but Cas admits in call he allowed it. The Gallagher removed Vlad from jail, which caused a fuss. The hold a vote and everyone, including Cas, agreed Vlad shouldn't be jailed. Afterwards Cas outright banned Vlad and pulled Gallagher in to finger wag him.
Claim is the dog dying isn't a legit reason for erratic behavior by Cas. This is ultimately a point of taste imo.
Cas unbanned him the next day and said sorry but Vlad claims the sorry isn't sufficient because Cas was too cowardly to DM him the sorry or post ir publicly and because it wasn't done in such a manner he very well may not have even seen the apology. Also claims the apology was in bad faith because on a stream a week later Cas would double down and blame Gallagher and his dog rather than his poor choice.
He further plays a clip of Cas on 4/20/2023 saying he didn't know about the beastiality stuff and keeping him in the server was hypocritical. Vlad claims Cas absolutely knew and shows a screenshot from 8/3/2022. Vlad usually come correct and up until now I didn't look at the video thoroughly. What is on screen doesn't match what Vlad says it says. He claims he suggested sending him beastiality, in the screenshot he's replying to Cas saying Coyote moved in with a zoophile who tortured animals to death and then fucked them and Vlad replies "That suddenly makes my beastiality joke-spam not funny" and even if I read into that that Cas understood the context was to send Zoo porn Vlad says its a joke in the screenshot so who is to say he didn't think it was a joke? Also Vlad says Cas suggested sending him scat porn instead, instead isn't in there which again makes me feel he didn't think he was suggesting an alternative but was suggesting a singular course of action and again this is all hindering that Cas didn't assume the entire back and forth wasn't just BSing between you two and was seen as a strategic meeting.
ADDED CONTEXT: So as a matter of Transparency I do reach out to those open to communication for clarity and correction. I did post this section for Vlad to read and he initially held contention but when I explained I was only critiquing the section for not being clear on the evidence at the screenshot not matching what's being spoken he conceded that it was a fair critique and one he'd already received.
As you can see he posted further proof. I ofc don't believe his claim in the video was incorrect but as stated its more of taking into account an outsiders perspective. After all most people won't read a discription section let alone click a google doc and read through potentially hundreds of msgs. Most go with the video alone so I critique the video for that purpose.
Added below further context for the record:
Claims Cas lied about where Vlad got the Zrcalo call from.
Shows Cas had beef with Coyote as early as 8/2/2022. Cas was working to expose Zrcalo and Coyote. Not sure why he lied about being shocked about it. Stupid choice but oh well.
Vlad burns bridges with Cas on May 2, 2023:
Lio Defends and Azure defects
Following video: It was a lot of back and forth over "You doxed me" and "No I didn't" Using a non-associated name is undeniably an intimidation move, one might call it a power play.Lio streams on the doc on May 6, 2023:
Later as this video ended we started to see more defections from the fox mafia. First it was a fellow furry Fox Azure @TheNowInfamousFoxAzure, I was linked a video of a stream he did the same night it was done. Apparently this friend of Cas was placed in the discord bad boy room you are all familiar with if you have followed the video history; Gay Baby Jail. Honestly at this point 99.99999% of this drama is due to that room. Apparently Fox Azure was very angry at a furry artist sharing Drawn porn of anatomically correct wolf penis. He demanded Cas and the mods come to answer why its ok to have those artists free, while he is placed in timeout. Its funny. We get some hard Rs and Azure screaming "KNOTTED DOG COCK"
FoxAzure goes off on TFM on May 8, 2023:
Peetza Joins Lio
Later Lio and Co. did another stream on CasWarfox who has yet to say or do anything. I've been waiting for a specific video and that wasn't it. Basically a second defection happened by a user of Kiwi Farms and a fellow furry and someone who helped collect information on Coyote Lovely; Peetza. Apparently some fallout had happened in the background that I have yet to be privy to and Peetza leaked a call with Cas that Lio played. Will link this immediately but warning: Hopeless Peaches, A morbidly obese twitter artist and youtuber is very obviously drunk and fucked on drugs. She interrupts a LOT and made me want to clean my ears out with a shotgun. I did reach out to Peetza and he said he would be willing to give me access to the calls, 4 hours worth, when he finishes working on them. I'll [post them when I can as I was barely able to pay attention to the stream due to the constant disruption. I am genuinely interested in the contents but the lush made it impossible to watch.CasWarfox has an "interesting" past on May 27, 2023:
Even though a promise was made to add a FURTHER addendum one has never been made and likely will never be made according to Vlad and this screenshot:
Peetza would later go on to go on a call with Vlad and answer for himself and how he is planning to dox Cas and release his info to everyone, including pedos he has exposed, using a botnet thing. Not sure about this tech but in the thread it gets discussed quite a bit and apparently its a federal criminal act. The call would be released accidentally by Vlad who kept it unlisted. Big ups. The Following is that video
Peetza goes full retard and wants to dox cas 6/15/2023:
Later lio would be confronted by Perentiegon and Ultronverse as some creeper Crash was being doxed in their server using Dox gathered by Lio. Anyone who watches Lio knows he doxes people so idgaf BUT I will take exceptions to some parts.
#1 Lio claims he had to gather the dox because you can't report a screen name. This is absolutely untrue, infact its the opposite of true. screenshots and archives are inadmissible in court. To gather the exudence of the crime the police would need his screen name in order to get records from the servers to use in court. Websites like this and apps like Discord are FEDERALLY MANDATED to maintain records for up to 3 years for legal purposes. We are required like ALL businesses to capitulate to court orders for records. If Lio's claims were true then basically MOST online crimes simply could not be punished because internet vigilantes didn't get their IRL name first. Its laughably wrong.
#2 Lio claims the situation of the dox being passed around isn't his problem but instead is the issue of Crash's victim who got the info and decided to start spamming it. I think this SHOULD concern you and you SHOULD make an extremely strong effort to make sure the info is utilized properply. Imagine the info gets out and retards start calling in fake crimes and swat attempts. He could, easily, make the case that ANY claims brought are the attempts to cause him harm from an online hate campaign and that ALL claims from online people are malicious lies. It would RUIN ANY chance of getting justice and shield him from a more critical look. a bad apple poisoning the batch.
Perentiegon and Ultronverse call Lio on 6/15/2023:
Also Even Just A Robot took shots at how crappy Lio's videos were. My only issue, with that video, is it didn't go far enough
of course it makes you wonder when he has hidden evidence in the past, for years, in order to save his friends
Also just to really push how INSANELY STUPID this has gotten Lio decided "Yo I work 60 hours a week and have so many victims I can't get to them all but you know what? This guy is Cas's friend and even though he isn't a predator, and Cas isn't a predator, Cas is friends with people I don't like so since you didn't break your friendship because I wanted it... I'm just going to make a video about you because I'm mad on the internet."
Basically Peetza cements his role in senate despite everyone knowing full well he intends to dox Cas. He comes on the call to admit to hacking Dan's account, which is illegal so... smart I guess... and it's basically Dan trying to come on to say he was sorry and try to make peace and Lio being a retard because he is friends with Cas he wants to bash him... and admitting he wasn't going to release the call till Dan "got uppity on twitter". What was Dan posting that warranted his getting his own video? This thread you're reading right now.
Lio bitches at Dan on 6/24/2023:
FOOTNOTES
Pretend Family
One of the more annoying things to deal with is during this drama proof has been lacking. Specifically a reason Lio keeps citing is "attacking my kids". I would still like to see this and have inquired. The thing is these are not his kids. These are grown ass people on the internet literally on other continents. I only point this out because someone attacking someone's kids is going to trigger a visareal emotional reaction; it really hits different when these "kids" are 23 year old women thousands of miles away he's never met and known for like a year.Back To The Top
Kuros Threat
Like stated above the lack of evidence and hearsay has been annoying. I've had to do a LOT of the legwork myself. One of the claims made was one of Cas's mods was working with pedos and wanting to pass dox info to them.As Kuro is tangentially involved I didn't mind a DM interview although if logs exist I'd definitely urge posting them. Kuros claim was that nearly a year ago he and perhaps Vash were being dragged through the mud by Lio and accused of things and in a voice chat he was simply venting and joked about passing his dox to a pedo, Black Shadow.
I ofc have no verification of these claims but I was directed to this pedo. He's unironically mentally handicapped so judge for yourself how true these claims are as a malicious act and how serious the threat was.
Black Shadow the Pedo:
Honorary Mentions
Big-Ups to videos that covered this:Was using a very early copy but BIG UPS to MrSEN
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